Not being end-to-end encrypted is meaningless to law enforcement if Telegram refuses to turn over the chat contents (which they do). Law enforcement can’t just eavesdrop on the conversation without Telegram’s cooperation. The chat contents are still secured by TLS from the user’s device to the Telegram servers.
Smart professional criminals rarely use Telegram for this stuff anyway. There’s WhatsApp and plenty of other popular platforms of end-to-end encrypted
if Telegram refuses to turn over the chat contents (which they do)
Source?
Law enforcement can’t just eavesdrop on the conversation without Telegram’s cooperation
Why do you think Roskomnadzor gave up their blockage plans in 2018? And then made their own official government channels?“It’s technically difficult for us” has never stopped Roskomnadzor before.
It’s not just “technically difficult” to eavesdrop. Properly implemented, it’s computationally impossible to eavesdrop on a connection secured with TLS.
There’s nothing in the article that says they refuse to disclose chat contents. In my own experience they often do so when receiving a proper request from governments, providing at least the last 24 hours of messages.
My comment regarding Roskomnadzor has nothing to do with encryption, but rather Telegram cooperates with them, and that’s why they stopped trying to block the platform. A little bit of reading comprehension would do you wonders.
The algorithm for the end to end encryption is open source as far as I know. Should be easy for security researchers to prove that something is manipulated…
I’m calling the E2E algirithm open source. That’s the reason why WhatsApp is using it, too. As long as the message is correctly encrypted for E2E on the client side, it should not matter what the server is doing as far as I know.
Three of these have existed for multiple years and have not been asked to stop development. The gurk-rs dev even commented (on reddit, unfortunately I can’t find the source) that it reports to Signal’s server as a non-official client and that if the Signal devs wanted to block it, they could easily do so.
But by default the comms aren’t end-to-end encrypted. Isn’t desiderable that criminals use telegram rather than signal?
Not being end-to-end encrypted is meaningless to law enforcement if Telegram refuses to turn over the chat contents (which they do). Law enforcement can’t just eavesdrop on the conversation without Telegram’s cooperation. The chat contents are still secured by TLS from the user’s device to the Telegram servers.
Smart professional criminals rarely use Telegram for this stuff anyway. There’s WhatsApp and plenty of other popular platforms of end-to-end encrypted
‘Smart criminals use WhatsApp’ Did u forget the /s flag?
It’s perfect for criminal use! Unbreakable encryption between two parties! 100% safe, believe me.
IMHO not a coincidence that the app constantly prompts to save unencrypted backups to Google drive for “safety”
Smart criminal use Briar or Signal, not WhatsApp, lol, which totally has a backdoor for the government.
Source?
Why do you think Roskomnadzor gave up their blockage plans in 2018? And then made their own official government channels? “It’s technically difficult for us” has never stopped Roskomnadzor before.
The source is this article.
It’s not just “technically difficult” to eavesdrop. Properly implemented, it’s computationally impossible to eavesdrop on a connection secured with TLS.
There’s nothing in the article that says they refuse to disclose chat contents. In my own experience they often do so when receiving a proper request from governments, providing at least the last 24 hours of messages.
My comment regarding Roskomnadzor has nothing to do with encryption, but rather Telegram cooperates with them, and that’s why they stopped trying to block the platform. A little bit of reading comprehension would do you wonders.
I thought I was commenting on a different post. Sorry about that
Signal is looking more and more like a honeypot
Ah… And what is that accusation backed with?
The fact that Signal has not run into legal trouble when Telegram has.
Also Signal has some really shady practices, such as rejecting and killing all third party clients.
The algorithm for the end to end encryption is open source as far as I know. Should be easy for security researchers to prove that something is manipulated…
Signal had long periods of blackouts when they did not publish server side code. Calling Signal open source is really a stretch.
I’m calling the E2E algirithm open source. That’s the reason why WhatsApp is using it, too. As long as the message is correctly encrypted for E2E on the client side, it should not matter what the server is doing as far as I know.
Ftfy
Signal have been blocked in several countries including Russia and Telegram has more users there and it isn’t blocked.
Because Signal cooperates as much as they can with law enforcement. Signal happily gives all the data they have and thankfully, for its users, the only data they have is the date/time the account was created and the date (not time) a client last pinged their servers; both in unix timestamp format, they don’t even convert it to a proper date.
Additionally, Signal has no “public groups” like Telegram. Everything’s private, end-to-end encrypted by default.
Yeah, so that’s outdated misinformation:
Three of these have existed for multiple years and have not been asked to stop development. The gurk-rs dev even commented (on reddit, unfortunately I can’t find the source) that it reports to Signal’s server as a non-official client and that if the Signal devs wanted to block it, they could easily do so.
That’s total BS
Also Signal is US based so it isn’t under French jurisdiction