Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.
Also, why are there no 3rd person shooter/3D platformer hybrids aside from Ratchet & Clank / Jak series? This seems like an untapped genre hybridisation that works well together. Like literally why is no one making games like this. I would love some examples of 3rd person shooter platformers to prove me wrong again.
Edit: It’s not a nostalgia thing. The quality of the PS2 platformers was actually better. Even ones I discovered recently that exist on PS2 or that I hadn’t played before. If I compare them side by side with modern 3D platformers, they look like s*** compared to the PS2 ones. And case in point, there are literally no open world 3rd person shooter-3D platformers with detailed worlds/graphics outside of PS2 (that I know of) and those are the kinds of 3D platformers I enjoy most… give me an example to prove me wrong. Ok technically I know of a few examples which meet some but not all of this criteria (only because I’ve looked far and wide for them) but they’re very basic and nowhere near as intricate as these games.
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You’ve answered your own question. You like 3rd-person shooter platformers, a genre which isn’t as prevalent as it was in the 6th generation of consoles. Not as many games are coming out that fit your tastes. You’re also nostalgic, which is perfectly fine, but you have to take off the goggles sometimes. I like Mario Sunshine better than a lot of modern 3D platformers, because I’ve been playing it for years and it was a big part of my childhood. But just because I love revisiting that game more than playing a new game sometimes, that doesn’t mean modern games aren’t reiterating and improving upon the things that made it great. A Hat in Time, Psychonauts 2, The Cosmic Shake, Spark the Electric Jester, Orbo’s Odyssey, SEUM, Frogun, New Super Lucky’s Tale, Supraland, Crash 4. So many great 3D platformers in recent years, with a ton of improvements to quality of life and control compared to where we were back in the day, as well as many new concepts.
Also, claiming that PS2 platformers as a whole look better than modern platformers as a whole is ridiculous, and you’re also giving no examples of either case.
Can you give us better lists of games that fall into both your good and bad categories?
My hot-take answer was going to be that it’s all nostalgia and there haven’t really been any good ones (at least that I ever was aware of). Given your edit on nostalgia, maybe it’s not nostalgia for an individual game or games, but rather a a time and a style?
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That looks like a Roblox game…
What modern 3D platformers?
A Hat in Time is an example. I really don’t enjoy that game. Idk why. But Yooka Laylee sucks as well. Pretty much every one just isn’t good. The graphics aren’t realistic or gritty like Ratchet, Jak and Sly for example, the worlds are empty or unexpansive. The combat is lacking. I could go on
Can’t comment on the 3rd person shooter/3d platformer hybrids, but games like Mario Odyssey are fantastic modern 3d platformers. Meanwhile I’ve recently replayed some 3d platformers from the n64-gamecube eras and found they didn’t hold up as well as I remembered.
I agree the N64 and GameCube ones aren’t as good as the PS2 ones from an objective standpoint. All the best platformers exist on PS2, I really don’t know why. They just went on a roll.
So…you grew up with Ps2 is what i’m hearing.
There are no 3rd person shooter-platformers on the other consoles, I’ve used a bunch of consoles including N64 and GameCube. They just don’t have the same kinds of games. I wish people would look past the fact they’re old and assuming it’s just a nostalgia thing… I can explain why the PS2 platformers are more complex and detailed and better
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
This seems like an appeal to nostalgia to me… they’re old games, and therefore I must simply be blinded by nostalgia rather than the possibility that those older games might have actually been better in certain measurable ways…?🤔
Thing better when I was a teen that now that im adult. It also works for music and basically everything.
Everyone knows the 3D platformer genre died out and people stopped putting effort into them as much, so it would be more like if someone had a favourite genre of music that went out of fashion and was hard to find anymore.
It’s not that. I’m going to have to edit my post now because I was already considering writing that disclaimer. It’s not a nostalgia thing. There are literally no 3rd person shooter 3D platformers outside of PS2 and those are the kinds of 3D platformers I enjoy most… give me an example to prove me wrong
Can’t really work with this without examples. I don’t think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it’s always been all over the place.
Like Hat in Time wasn’t that long ago.
let’s see…got a picture of “3D platformers in past 10 years”
https://libreddit.kylrth.com/img/ad57oxhe2pfa1.png
I’m looking at it and honestly I need examples as to where you think Ps2 beat out this list so blatantly that there’s a clear issue.
I mean, Jak II got dark and gritty. No one really tried that again with 3D platformers.
These are all cartoonish for one thing. The older PS2 games were more realistic despite having stylised graphics. And the gameplay is just more complex and interesting. It’s hard to pinpoint it exactly
I think the platforming zeitgeist has shifted to 2D.
- Metroid Dread, Hollow Knight, Mario Wonder, Shovel Knight.
But 3D platforming is still alive as a genre.
- Mario Odyssey, Sonic Frontiers, Yooka-Laylee.
And the remake scene for 3D is popping off right now.
- Crash, Spyro, Ratchet, Mario 3D All Stars, Metroid Prime Remastered.
Specifically for the subgenre of 3D third-person platform-shooters, check out Splatoon 3. For 3D first-person open-world platform-shooters, Metroid Prime 4 is in development.
But for “3D open world third-person platform-shooter,” that genre is essentially Ratchet & Clank. But these days I think Insomniac is busy with Spider-Man. You can maybe count Jak in there, but Naughty Dog hasn’t touched that franchise in ages.
I think the take away is that each franchise has it’s own niche. What you’ve described is so specific that you’re really just talking about Ratchet. Open your requirements a bit more, and you’ll find plenty of great, new platforming experiences.
Also, if you think there’s untapped potential, I encourage you to make something! Unity is actually pretty easy to use.
If I could make games, I would definitely be making a Ratchet & Jak styled game, some kind of 3rd person shooter-platformer with detailed environments. But I just don’t understand why big studios don’t jump on the opportunity, instead the Jak franchise is dead (or dormant, still hoping for a return) and they only make Ratchet games occasionally, and no one seems to even attempt to make an original IP like those games despite their success and appeal and huge potential in next gen. It’s mind boggling
I think it’s basically Ratchet & Jak, yeah. I would count Jak II and 3 in that genre, not Jak 1 so much although it’s a great game.
