I’ve been inspecting this topic quite a lot and I’m a little confused now. So, we have reasons not to use Signal, reasons not to use Matrix, there were also some claims about Session being a fraught. Briar is mostly activists related (not very suitable for daily use), XMPP lacks good clients and suffers from fragmentation of protocol standards implementation, SimpleX is too feature-incomplete (no UnifiedPush support, big battery drain on Android, very decent desktop client without any message sync). I can’t say a lot about Threema or Wire, as I’m not very familiar with them.

So, my question is — is there any good private messenger at all? What do you think is the most acceptable option?

EDIT: In addition to my post:

All messengers have their flaws, I’m well aware of that. I was interested in hearing users’ opinions regarding these shortcomings, not in finding the perfect messenger. I may have worded my thoughts incorrectly, sorry for that.

  • FeelzGoodMan420English
    4412·
    13 days ago

    Lemmy has some sort of slander campaign going against Signal. Can’t tell if it’s just misinformed idiots or a paid shill smear campaign being run here (likely the former, Lemmy is too small for companies to give a shit about.) It’s really annoying. Same with Mozilla and Firefox. Not sure Lemmy likes anything?

    • Dessalines
      2824·
      13 days ago

      Give me your phone number so I can chat with you on signal about this.

      • CenotaphEnglish
        335·
        13 days ago

        Signal has usernames (must be enabled) and you can have your phone number hidden from public view & prevent it from being used to search up your acc

        • Dessalines
          359·
          13 days ago

          That got added recently, but you still need a phone number to sign up. A phone number is tied to your identity, meaning that signal’s database has the names and addresses of everyone who uses it. And since signal is US-based, its subject to US national security letters, meaning its illegal for signal to tell anyone that the US government has requested information about who they’re talking to.

          Under the Obama administration, an average of 60 NSLs were issued every single day.

          • SparkegaEnglish
            11·
            12 days ago

            It’s not too difficult to establish a Signal account from a burner number from a prepaid sim card. I currently have a Signal account tied to a sim not in my name. Getting a burner with cash is an option. Or, if you’re lucky enough to live near a payphone and can gain access to the number, you can activate a signal with a phone call.

            • Dessalines
              40·
              12 days ago12 days ago

              There is no reason to do any of that. No one forced signal to use phone numbers as their primary identifier, and plenty of privacy oriented chat programs don’t require that.

            • Dessalines
              50·
              12 days ago

              I’m sot trusting anything from signal themselves, just like I wouldn’t trust anything apple, microsoft, google, or any other US-based company with centralized services says about themselves.

        • toastal
          20·
          11 days ago

          Let me message you without having an Android or iOS primary device then. Can’t do it.