Patching in new DRM years after launch seems unlikely to impact pirates, but actively harms legitimate users who play on Steam Deck or mod games they paid for.
DRM doesn’t purge itself automatically. I don’t know how to spell it any clearer but if the problem is that DRM continues to exist, and it is solved when DRM is removed, then DRM itself is the problem.
And I speak as someone who lost my official purchase of Tron Evolution to outdated DRM.
I don’t think you are arguing in favor of cracking groups, as much as I’m appreciative of them.
I don’t know how to spell it any clearer but if the problem is that DRM continues to exist, and it is solved when DRM is removed, then DRM itself is the problem.
Once again you have it backwards. If the DRM is removed then the problem you cited never existed and there’s no problem to be solved.
And I speak as someone who lost my official purchase of Tron Evolution
I don’t understand what purpose your anecdotes are supposed to serve here.
Oh boy, I wonder what’s the relevance of being a first-hand witness of what happens when DRM that doesn’t purge itself, doesn’t get removed and loses support. I wonder how differently that would have gone if DRM had never been used instead.
Welp, who knows what’s the point of it all. A complete mystery huh 🤷♂️
I have been finding out that tiring my fingers with people who only pretend to be discussing but gloss over what’s being said is a waste of time.
I’m acting like an ass because you are acting like an ass. Isn’t it obvious how relevant it is to bring up how DRM personally affected me? Do you actually have a reason to say why losing a game I have bought isn’t actually the fault of DRM, or are you just going to pretend it doesn’t matter? Be it me or anyone else, we can still access games that were abandoned by the developers just fine, as long as DRM doesn’t get in the way,
If you are gonna repeat yourself with “Once again you have it backwards” don’t even bother. If you really mean to talk it out, don’t avoid the point.
I have been finding out that tiring my fingers with people who only pretend to be discussing but gloss over what’s being said is a waste of time.
What are you suggesting that I supposedly “glossed over”?
Isn’t it obvious how relevant it is to bring up how DRM personally affected me?
It’s obviously not obvious, like at all. I mean if your intention was to create an emotional argument and tell me that you can’t be objective, then mission accomplished. That’s the only takeaway I have without further explanation.
Do you actually have a reason to say why losing a game I have bought isn’t actually the fault of DRM
Uhhhh I’ve already explained the reason. It seems you may have glossed over it.
If you are gonna repeat yourself with “Once again you have it backwards” don’t even bother.
What words would you prefer I use when you make the same mistake twice?
If you really mean to talk it out, don’t avoid the point.
Again I’ll ask what point it is that you think I’ve avoided?
And here’s why being sarcastic was the right choice. Pointing out the witnessed practical material consequences of DRM is just being “emotional” because for whatever reason you think I’m not allowed to be upset about what I lost, which you have given no argument to prove it doesn’t happen, or how to prevent or revert it.
Funny how you quoted every single line except this part
we can still access games that were abandoned by the developers just fine, as long as DRM doesn’t get in the way
Which points out that you can’t simply scratch it to company neglect, when neglect alone doesn’t take games away from customers.DRM does.
How forgetful of you to miss that part, after being so confused about what you might have glossed over.
Pointing out the witnessed practical material consequences of DRM is just being “emotional” because for whatever reason you think I’m not allowed to be upset about what I lost
As I just explained in the comment you replied to, since you repeatedly refuse to provide any other explanation or justification, I’m left to make assumptions. You’re totally allowed to be upset.“Upset” is an emotion and not an explanation for why you provided a personal anecdote.
Funny how you quoted every single line except this part
I only quoted the relevant parts of your comments that I replied to. This one I replied to about 12 comments up. Just as a reminder, since you seem to have forgotten, I said “It’s not an inherent problem of DRM because it’s not a requirement for it to have DRM forever.”
Which points out that you can’t simply scratch it to company neglect, when neglect alone doesn’t take games away from customers.DRM does.
You can’t simply scratch it to DRM, when DRM alone doesn’t take games away from customers either. Company neglect is required. You need both.
You have it backwards. It’s not an inherent problem of DRM because it’s not a requirement for it to have DRM forever.
DRM doesn’t purge itself automatically. I don’t know how to spell it any clearer but if the problem is that DRM continues to exist, and it is solved when DRM is removed, then DRM itself is the problem.
And I speak as someone who lost my official purchase of Tron Evolution to outdated DRM.
I don’t think you are arguing in favor of cracking groups, as much as I’m appreciative of them.
It doesn’t have to.
Once again you have it backwards. If the DRM is removed then the problem you cited never existed and there’s no problem to be solved.
I don’t understand what purpose your anecdotes are supposed to serve here.
Oh boy, I wonder what’s the relevance of being a first-hand witness of what happens when DRM that doesn’t purge itself, doesn’t get removed and loses support. I wonder how differently that would have gone if DRM had never been used instead.
Welp, who knows what’s the point of it all. A complete mystery huh 🤷♂️
God forbid you should actually explain it rather than acting like an ass and ignoring the question.
I have been finding out that tiring my fingers with people who only pretend to be discussing but gloss over what’s being said is a waste of time.
I’m acting like an ass because you are acting like an ass. Isn’t it obvious how relevant it is to bring up how DRM personally affected me? Do you actually have a reason to say why losing a game I have bought isn’t actually the fault of DRM, or are you just going to pretend it doesn’t matter? Be it me or anyone else, we can still access games that were abandoned by the developers just fine, as long as DRM doesn’t get in the way,
If you are gonna repeat yourself with “Once again you have it backwards” don’t even bother. If you really mean to talk it out, don’t avoid the point.
What are you suggesting that I supposedly “glossed over”?
It’s obviously not obvious, like at all. I mean if your intention was to create an emotional argument and tell me that you can’t be objective, then mission accomplished. That’s the only takeaway I have without further explanation.
Uhhhh I’ve already explained the reason. It seems you may have glossed over it.
What words would you prefer I use when you make the same mistake twice?
Again I’ll ask what point it is that you think I’ve avoided?
And here’s why being sarcastic was the right choice. Pointing out the witnessed practical material consequences of DRM is just being “emotional” because for whatever reason you think I’m not allowed to be upset about what I lost, which you have given no argument to prove it doesn’t happen, or how to prevent or revert it.
Funny how you quoted every single line except this part
Which points out that you can’t simply scratch it to company neglect, when neglect alone doesn’t take games away from customers. DRM does.
How forgetful of you to miss that part, after being so confused about what you might have glossed over.
Oh well, anyway goodbye.
As I just explained in the comment you replied to, since you repeatedly refuse to provide any other explanation or justification, I’m left to make assumptions. You’re totally allowed to be upset. “Upset” is an emotion and not an explanation for why you provided a personal anecdote.
I only quoted the relevant parts of your comments that I replied to. This one I replied to about 12 comments up. Just as a reminder, since you seem to have forgotten, I said “It’s not an inherent problem of DRM because it’s not a requirement for it to have DRM forever.”
You can’t simply scratch it to DRM, when DRM alone doesn’t take games away from customers either. Company neglect is required. You need both.