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        the state maintains that this is a moral and legitimate use of force: that it has the authority to do this.

        I don’t necessarily agree with “moral”. In western democracies laws and use of force doesn’t legitimize itself by a call to morality usually. Just using some kind of authority, doesn’t make a government authoritarian by any common definition of the word.

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            It absolutely does imo, it legitimises itself through an appeal to an underlying moral framework.

            Yes, but very indirectly. We don’t have a “moral police”, but one that enforces laws which are, as you say, legitimized by the people as a sovereign.

            So you don’t see police stopping people on “moral grounds” in some vague interpretation.

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              What about abortion? Tracking if women are pregnant and hunting them down if then stop being pregnant.

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                Usually codified by lawy not prosecuted as “immoral behaviour” as such. Although if you look at recent anti-abortion legislation in the US it is intentionally vague. That shifts some burden of interpretation to the executive branch and is a sign of authoritarianism I’d say.

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                    No, it’s about the legitimization of law, the legitimization of use of power, checks and balances and unconditional human rights.