I was happy for a second and then remembered that karma is a bad take and that he will be getting the absolute best available healthcare and even if he does die, he will be doing so having gotten to old age, in extreme luxury and in more comfort than any of us will ever experience.
I worry that if he does die soon it will only embolden royalist sentiment in this country as the grieving masses will cling on to the “young king” which the media will spin as “progressive” or whatever, and we’ll just keep getting further and further away from abolishing this disgusting establishment.
We seriously need a King Ralph type thing to happen, only the people take over, instead of a stereotypical American. Turn Buckingham palace in to a community centre with a kitchen and a shelter and childcare and a free mental health clinic, and put those gardens to actual use…
I can understand you wanting to abolish the royal family (I do too), but I can’t understand your hatred of him personally, to actually be happy he has cancer. He doesn’t seem like a bad/evil person to me
You don’t exterminate mosquitoes because they are evil, you get rid of them because they are parasites, unable to exist without feeding on you and your loved ones. They are disease vectors, it’s us or them.
The royal family feeds into hierarchical structures. They benefit from our subjugation. They knowingly and intentionally contribute to death and misery worldwide for their own benefit. If Charles was a decent man he’d abdicate.
So petition for the monarchy to be dismantled. Write to your MP. If there’s enough support for it maybe we can get a referendum for it. Though unfortunately I don’t think there’s yet a significant majority of the public that do want that.
I just don’t get being happy at him having cancer. That doesn’t even bring us any closer to dismantling the monarchy. But I guess you must have reasons for having more hatred for him that I’ve not been exposed to
When have you ever seen a petition change a single thing? You really think that signing names on a piece of paper would be sufficient to take down the Monarchy?
If sitting on a gold throne, in a gold room, riding around in your gold carriage, covered in jewels, none of which were (or ever could be)“earned”, but rather pillaged, without even knowing what a days work feels like, while the people you’re parading your “god given right” to lord over, and whose wealth you hoard privately overseas, are having to choose between heating and eating as they work 3 zero hour jobs just to survive - isn’t considered evil in your mind, it is your moral compass that is the problem, not me feeling momentary joy when a cancer gets cancer.
He cheated on his wife, very publicly for years. Idk about your views but maintaining a mistress immediately excludes you from being a good person. Charles was a prick for a long time before he started committing to charity, conservation, social outreach programs, etc
Please point to where anyone wished cancer on anyone?*
Also, the fact that people don’t feel sorry for the filthy rich old man getting what is almost certainly an age related disease (because it’s not like he was exposed to the levels of shit food and air and stress that gives the rest of us cancer), is wild to you, but the existence of a “god appointed” ruler that leeches off of his people while they struggle to survive isn’t, says a lot more about you than me not giving much of a shit does about me…
*E: you know what? Even if I had, wishing death on a person whose entire existence depends on the oppression (and death) of others on a mass, almost unimaginable scale, is still less morally repugnant than defending them. ¯\(ツ)/¯
Eat the fucking rich - they’ve brought it on themselves.
What exactly do you hate about him? Is it his stance on climate change or the Prince Trust maybe? The Royal family are an important source of culture, tourism, and soft power when the UK’s overseas influence is waning. What good to you think will come of getting rid of them?
Palaces like Versailles and Sanssouci get millions of visitors every year without a group of racists and pedophiles around and actively in power to give it some greater meaning.
What good to you think will come of getting rid of them?
We’d become a proper modern country where the person who represents the nation is chosen by the nation? We’d move on from a system where who’s up front simply depends on who their mum or dad were? We’d rid ourselves of a system trained with centuries of imperial exploitation, racism and subjugation? We’d open up new tourism opportunities, with the palaces and castles being available for anyone to visit, a la Versailles?
The UK truly is in shambles if their tourism industry and culture depend on a cabal of ghouls siphoning vast amounts of wealth from the people purely for show.
Personally, I like to think the people of the UK have a lot more to them than their vestigial rulers.
Feel free to educate yourself bootlicker, I’ll even start you off, but I don’t have the energy this evening to invest in someone with their head that deep up the ass of the establishment stomping an all our necks…
It doesn’t explain why you have so much venom. I see the royal family as British heritage. I don’t see how having a monarchy with no real power has any effect on the day to day lives of British people. Certainly not enough to explain the hate.
So some guy came to England, killed another guy who claimed to rule it, and now we have to watch their family spend eternity in decadent luxury because “British Heritage”. pfft.
Tell you what. I’ll go perform some actions that make myself king, and then a few generations from now my family will be British heritage. Then we can all be happy.
They have influence, not governing power. Sure you could argue they don’t deserve the influence they have just for being in that position. The main point however is questioning the /hate/. I know you’re not the poster who I was replying to, but I didn’t want to distract the point of my post. Why should we hate the monarchy so much?
We shouldn’t hate the monarchy, necessarily. We should hate monarchy as a concept.
It’s archaic, it formalises and legitimises unbelievable levels of inequality and elitism, and it gives rise to at least the strong possibility (and in the UK’s case at least, the actuality) of a tiered legal system, with some laws simply not applying to some people because of their position.
It’s a repulsive idea, based on historical might and hereditary right, and with no regard for democracy or equality of all people.
The old man that this post is about literally does have governing power, not only in the UK but also in 14 other countries including Australia and Canada. A common argument made by monarchists is that the monarch’s actual influence is negligible, and their governing power should be ignored because it is only ceremonial.
As Wikipedia puts it:
Royal assent is the method by which a monarch formally approves an act of the legislature, either directly or through an official acting on the monarch’s behalf. Under a modern constitutional monarchy, royal assent is considered little more than a formality. Even in nations such as the United Kingdom, Norway, the Netherlands, Liechtenstein and Monaco which still, in theory, permit their monarch to withhold assent to laws, the monarch almost never does so, except in a dire political emergency or on advice of government.
I don’t see how having a monarchy with no real power has any effect on the day to day lives of British people.
Then what the hell is the point in the amount of tax money that we spend on them? If tourism is such a big money spinner for the country then getting rid of them and keeping the related buildings would still bring in money without having to pay for the decadent lives of these parasites.
sorry, but arent the crimes of their fathers the sole basis for our worshipping them, allowing tbem political power and sending the pricks millions upon millions of tax payer pounds?
you dont reckon its a little disingenuous to complain about people shitting on their heritage when said heritage is the entire argument for their existence
You’re not wrong. I take the view that our history, be it good or bad, is part of who we are as a people. However, I wouldn’t want Britain to abolish the monarchy without good reason, and something that occured in the here and now rather than the past.
There are some replies to this thread that have enlightened me on the power the monarchy holds, which I don’t agree they shoud have. I initially thought the monarchy was a symbolic relic, but it seems it’s not the case.
I was happy for a second and then remembered that karma is a bad take and that he will be getting the absolute best available healthcare and even if he does die, he will be doing so having gotten to old age, in extreme luxury and in more comfort than any of us will ever experience.
I worry that if he does die soon it will only embolden royalist sentiment in this country as the grieving masses will cling on to the “young king” which the media will spin as “progressive” or whatever, and we’ll just keep getting further and further away from abolishing this disgusting establishment.
We seriously need a King Ralph type thing to happen, only the people take over, instead of a stereotypical American. Turn Buckingham palace in to a community centre with a kitchen and a shelter and childcare and a free mental health clinic, and put those gardens to actual use…
Karma is a lie white people tell themselves so they can continue to believe there’s justice in this world.
The same as religion, it all irritates me.
We MAKE justice happen, there is no universal cop.
Which is good because acab.
i dont think that one comes from white people
Karma is historically used and very insidious tool to keep the poor people poor and rich people rich.
More like King Louis XVI type thing to happen
I can understand you wanting to abolish the royal family (I do too), but I can’t understand your hatred of him personally, to actually be happy he has cancer. He doesn’t seem like a bad/evil person to me
You don’t exterminate mosquitoes because they are evil, you get rid of them because they are parasites, unable to exist without feeding on you and your loved ones. They are disease vectors, it’s us or them.
The royal family feeds into hierarchical structures. They benefit from our subjugation. They knowingly and intentionally contribute to death and misery worldwide for their own benefit. If Charles was a decent man he’d abdicate.
Jesus man mosquitos are just trying to live, that’s not a fair comparison for them
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So petition for the monarchy to be dismantled. Write to your MP. If there’s enough support for it maybe we can get a referendum for it. Though unfortunately I don’t think there’s yet a significant majority of the public that do want that.
I just don’t get being happy at him having cancer. That doesn’t even bring us any closer to dismantling the monarchy. But I guess you must have reasons for having more hatred for him that I’ve not been exposed to
When have you ever seen a petition change a single thing? You really think that signing names on a piece of paper would be sufficient to take down the Monarchy?
You realize how naive that is at best, right?
Fair point, but it needs action, not just laughing at someone getting cancer
Can I do both?
Why write to them when you can start an official petition and get the House to debate abolishing the monarchy. Only need 10,000 signatures to force the issue to be debated.
If sitting on a gold throne, in a gold room, riding around in your gold carriage, covered in jewels, none of which were (or ever could be) “earned”, but rather pillaged, without even knowing what a days work feels like, while the people you’re parading your “god given right” to lord over, and whose wealth you hoard privately overseas, are having to choose between heating and eating as they work 3 zero hour jobs just to survive - isn’t considered evil in your mind, it is your moral compass that is the problem, not me feeling momentary joy when a cancer gets cancer.
He cheated on his wife, very publicly for years. Idk about your views but maintaining a mistress immediately excludes you from being a good person. Charles was a prick for a long time before he started committing to charity, conservation, social outreach programs, etc
No disagreements about about him being a prick, but wishing cancer and even death on another person seems pretty wild to me.
Please point to where anyone wished cancer on anyone?*
Also, the fact that people don’t feel sorry for the filthy rich old man getting what is almost certainly an age related disease (because it’s not like he was exposed to the levels of shit food and air and stress that gives the rest of us cancer), is wild to you, but the existence of a “god appointed” ruler that leeches off of his people while they struggle to survive isn’t, says a lot more about you than me not giving much of a shit does about me…
*E: you know what? Even if I had, wishing death on a person whose entire existence depends on the oppression (and death) of others on a mass, almost unimaginable scale, is still less morally repugnant than defending them. ¯\(ツ)/¯
Eat the fucking rich - they’ve brought it on themselves.
I don’t think that wishing death on someone is always bad but I don’t really get it for King Charles
Y’all mother fuckers must be white as hell, then.
Didn’t realise I opened twitter instead of Lemmy today…
Is anyone going to bother to explain why he’s so bad?
Here’s an article going into some of the crown’s crimes, which Charles has willingly benefitted from and continues to do so.
Thx :)
But he was only happy for a second and since they believe in karma, now they aren’t happy. Nobody said no take backs so they’re probably good.
Fair enough!
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It’s costs too much to heat. You can build a modern structure with less money.
King Ralph.
Now there’s a name I’ve not heard in a long time.
A long time.
What exactly do you hate about him? Is it his stance on climate change or the Prince Trust maybe? The Royal family are an important source of culture, tourism, and soft power when the UK’s overseas influence is waning. What good to you think will come of getting rid of them?
The Royal family isnt an important source of tourism.
Palaces like Versailles and Sanssouci get millions of visitors every year without a group of racists and pedophiles around and actively in power to give it some greater meaning.
We’d become a proper modern country where the person who represents the nation is chosen by the nation? We’d move on from a system where who’s up front simply depends on who their mum or dad were? We’d rid ourselves of a system trained with centuries of imperial exploitation, racism and subjugation? We’d open up new tourism opportunities, with the palaces and castles being available for anyone to visit, a la Versailles?
And that’s just off the top of my head.
The UK truly is in shambles if their tourism industry and culture depend on a cabal of ghouls siphoning vast amounts of wealth from the people purely for show.
Personally, I like to think the people of the UK have a lot more to them than their vestigial rulers.
You think no tourist will go to see the palace if the inbreeds don’t exist anymore?
i actively want the UKs overseas influence to wane
I’ve got a very good news for you then! Heard of Brexit?
Feel free to educate yourself bootlicker, I’ll even start you off, but I don’t have the energy this evening to invest in someone with their head that deep up the ass of the establishment stomping an all our necks…
https://www.republic.org.uk/tourism
https://giving-evidence.com/2020/07/16/royal-findings/
It doesn’t explain why you have so much venom. I see the royal family as British heritage. I don’t see how having a monarchy with no real power has any effect on the day to day lives of British people. Certainly not enough to explain the hate.
You know what else is a British heritage? Famines in India.
Aristocracy is privilege without any kind of merit whatsoever. It costs the tax payer millions and undermines democracy.
So some guy came to England, killed another guy who claimed to rule it, and now we have to watch their family spend eternity in decadent luxury because “British Heritage”. pfft.
Tell you what. I’ll go perform some actions that make myself king, and then a few generations from now my family will be British heritage. Then we can all be happy.
Not to mention that British heritage belongs to a German dynasty.
I don’t know if it’s that you don’t know anything about the royal family, or that you don’t know anything about how power works, or both.
They have influence, not governing power. Sure you could argue they don’t deserve the influence they have just for being in that position. The main point however is questioning the /hate/. I know you’re not the poster who I was replying to, but I didn’t want to distract the point of my post. Why should we hate the monarchy so much?
We shouldn’t hate the monarchy, necessarily. We should hate monarchy as a concept.
It’s archaic, it formalises and legitimises unbelievable levels of inequality and elitism, and it gives rise to at least the strong possibility (and in the UK’s case at least, the actuality) of a tiered legal system, with some laws simply not applying to some people because of their position.
It’s a repulsive idea, based on historical might and hereditary right, and with no regard for democracy or equality of all people.
That makes sense. I agree with that. Thank you.
I felt somewhat disheartened that the response of a guy announcing he has cancer is filled with such toxicity.
The old man that this post is about literally does have governing power, not only in the UK but also in 14 other countries including Australia and Canada. A common argument made by monarchists is that the monarch’s actual influence is negligible, and their governing power should be ignored because it is only ceremonial.
As Wikipedia puts it:
But… there is a catch:
https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/7743aaea-f794-4421-a15f-cdf18863d167.png
It turns out that there is also a less formal process (or a “parliamentary convention”; another part of the UK’s heritage is having an “unwritten constitution”, whatever that means) called King’s Consent whereby the monarch, in secret, is consulted before parliament is allowed to debate anything which might affect their personal interests. And it turns out, a lot of things might affect their personal interests, so, this procedure has been and continues to be used to review, shape, and in some cases veto, numerous laws before they are allowed to be debated by parliament. You can read more here.
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They don’t even need that sort of power for the argument to hold weight but yes, they do hold exactly that sort of power and use it for things like ensuring that Buckingham Palace isn’t affected by racial equality in employment laws https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/08/royals-vetted-more-than-1000-laws-via-queens-consent
Then they hide it from us, too
That is quite a damnig article. Thanks I understand your view on that now.
Then what the hell is the point in the amount of tax money that we spend on them? If tourism is such a big money spinner for the country then getting rid of them and keeping the related buildings would still bring in money without having to pay for the decadent lives of these parasites.
They are “British heritage” because they killed, conquered and stole from our ancestors.
So we blame the sons for the crimes of their fathers.
What do you mean by “blame”?
sorry, but arent the crimes of their fathers the sole basis for our worshipping them, allowing tbem political power and sending the pricks millions upon millions of tax payer pounds?
you dont reckon its a little disingenuous to complain about people shitting on their heritage when said heritage is the entire argument for their existence
You’re not wrong. I take the view that our history, be it good or bad, is part of who we are as a people. However, I wouldn’t want Britain to abolish the monarchy without good reason, and something that occured in the here and now rather than the past.
There are some replies to this thread that have enlightened me on the power the monarchy holds, which I don’t agree they shoud have. I initially thought the monarchy was a symbolic relic, but it seems it’s not the case.