They tried to go for a rebel strike that might make Israel pause and think about their constant ongoing oppression and slaughter, but Papa Biden was there to make sure that didn’t work.
It wasn’t bad enough that white nation’s went in, stole their land, and displaced them.
America had been depending on Israel to buy and use their guns and ammunition the whole time through to prop up the military industrial complex and give America a toe-hold across the Pacific.
Plenty of bootlicking Americans around to deny that long and horrific history though.
Just say it. Just call them savages you want exterminated.
You don’t care about death or suffering, you care about how “impure and backwards they are”. To be cleaned for “progress”
You’re building up to it, just speak plainly. You want to improve the land of Palestine by clearing out the savages. It’s the genocidal colonial logic you subscribe to. Let people know who you are.
The high explosive does its thing, then the massive highly populated concrete structures dismember them and burn them as they fall in wanton painful and terrifying chaos as it collapses giving them unsanctimonious burials.
They want a ceasefire, the blockade to be loosened and the release of all Palestinian prisoners in Israel. All things that shouldn’t need even need negotiation to happen in a non-Apartheid state.
The Hamas leadership has said that the objectives of the attacks are ending “Israeli violations”, securing the release of Palestinian prisoners, and “returning to the project of establishing a state”
Israeli violations can be understood to main airstrikes and other military action against Gaza, though it’s unclear if it includes the blockade.
Unfortunately you’re right, it doesn’t say a whole lot.
While Hamas may appear to have fulfilled its declared short-term goals of deterring Israeli violations of Al-Aqsa Mosque and taking hostages to bargain for the release of Palestinian political prisoners held in Israeli jails, it does not appear to have a long-term end game.
and later
Three days into Hamas’s surprising and overwhelming attack, it is not clear what its end game is and what it can do to reap long-term benefits. Its priority has seemed to be to take both military and civilian hostages to help deter aggressive Israeli retaliation and later exchange them for Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails.
Which contradicts the idea in the OP article stating about Hamas’ “demands.”
The closet thing I could find was this:
The Hamas leadership has said that the objectives of the attacks are ending “Israeli violations”, securing the release of Palestinian prisoners, and “returning to the project of establishing a state”.
Which are certainly objectives, but not specific enough to be demands.
Searching for “hamas’ list of demands” online, there are several articles similar to the one above that reference it, but no list of demands that I can see. The closest things I can find are the 1988 and 2017 Hamas charters, which aren’t particularly specific other than the original one calls for the eradication of Israel and the Jews, and the revised one just calls for the eradication of Israel… which isn’t exactly a demand as much as an aspiration, and is kind of a moot point because it doesn’t seem like something that would be accepted by Israel.
So I’m still looking for an actual list of demands…
Which are certainly objectives, but not specific enough to be demands.
Not really?“Release Palestinian prisoners” and “stop Israeli violations” at least are definitely demands, and from what I found they also want Israel to stop flying drones over Gaza. That said, yeah, I guess not much has been made public.
Well for an actual “list of demands” I would expect things like “release these people:” followed by a list of names, and “stop doing these violations:” followed by a list of the violations they are accusing Israel of.“Release everybody” and “stop doing bad things” are technically demands, but they’re not the kind of things you’d expect in an actual list of specific demands. Those certainly work as summaries of the demands, but I was hoping that some news agency would have an actual list of the specific things Hamas is demanding in order to release the hostages rather than just “do everything we want.” I’ve seen them mention the drones in another article, which I suspect must be one of the things on the actual list.
“Release everyone”is one of their actual demands. Usually Hamas milks hostages for as many Palestinian prisoners as they’re worth, and this time they have a lot of hostages so it should be in line with historical “exchange rates”, so to speak, given that many of the hostages are soldiers, which have more value as hostages. Good point on the violations thing, though, it’s frankly perplexing that they nobody is publishing an actual list.
If something as vague as “release everyone” or “release all Palestinians in Israeli jails” or whatever is one of their actual demands, it’s unfortunate, because it makes it sound more like they’re not serious and are just making impossible demands that they know will not/can not be met as an excuse to continue fighting but to give off the appearance of working for peace. Just as if “the eradication of the Israeli state” were one of their demands. But I can’t really accuse them of that yet since I haven’t seen an actual list of demands and we’re both just speculating at this stage.
Release the hostages and then what? Lose all their leverage? I can bet you right now if they release the hostages outside of an actual ceasefire agreements none of their demands will be met.
I think Israel will take over Gaza like it used to before 2005(they’ve actually stated this), and Palestinians prisoners will continue rotting in the Israeli military prison system. I also think Palestinian resistance will be mercilessly crushed. Why do you ask?
Is there a list of Hamas’ demands published somewhere? Cause I don’t see it in the article…
I’m genuinely curious as to whether it’s an achievable list of demands vs ludicrous posturing that has no chance of ever being met.
Well, in your boot licking eyes, it can only be the latter even if the only demand is “Everyone stops killing people.”
Lol what the fuck is your problem?
I ask a question, making me a boot licker. So I guess people who never ask questions, like you, are what… ?
Fucking trolls is what.
You and the boot licking pro genocide bile you constantly spew.
Yes, but Hamas did start the war so it’s not that simple
No…
No they didn’t.
They tried to go for a rebel strike that might make Israel pause and think about their constant ongoing oppression and slaughter, but Papa Biden was there to make sure that didn’t work.
It wasn’t bad enough that white nation’s went in, stole their land, and displaced them.
America had been depending on Israel to buy and use their guns and ammunition the whole time through to prop up the military industrial complex and give America a toe-hold across the Pacific.
Plenty of bootlicking Americans around to deny that long and horrific history though.
This is the reason you give for murder and rape of innocent people? This is your justification? You are morally repugnant
As is the IDF and Netanyahu for continuing to murder Palestinians, journalists and innocent children by the thousands.
And kettling Palestinians in southern Gaza so it’s easier to bomb/kill them.
There is no justification for the atrocities committed on Oct 7th. The more I read your tripe the sicker I feel for mankind.
I CAN NOT wait for you to give the justification for what Israel has done to Palestine every day for over 50 years.
Hint: Its murder and rape.
Show me where Isreal killed women as they raped them then mutilated their bodies you sick SOB.
Israel does that too!
Has done it consistently for 50 years?
Do I endorse Hamas fighting fire with fire? No.
Can I blame Hamas for fighting fire with fire? No.
Jesus I hate you fucking fruit fly memoried bandwagoning genocidal bastards.
Sure chief. Show me where Israelis behead people. Show me where they burn them alive. Get out of here with that false equivalency
Just say it. Just call them savages you want exterminated.
You don’t care about death or suffering, you care about how “impure and backwards they are”. To be cleaned for “progress”
You’re building up to it, just speak plainly. You want to improve the land of Palestine by clearing out the savages. It’s the genocidal colonial logic you subscribe to. Let people know who you are.
First you say what you really feel. The Jews deserved it, right? It’s on the tip of your tongue
The high explosive does its thing, then the massive highly populated concrete structures dismember them and burn them as they fall in wanton painful and terrifying chaos as it collapses giving them unsanctimonious burials.
FUCK OFF YOU GENOCIDAL BOOTLICKER.
They want a ceasefire, the blockade to be loosened and the release of all Palestinian prisoners in Israel. All things that shouldn’t need even need negotiation to happen in a non-Apartheid state.
Is there an actual published list of demands somewhere that is cite-able?
So it doesn’t say much but I found this,
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/10/11/analysis-why-did-hamas-attack-now-and-what-is-next
Israeli violations can be understood to main airstrikes and other military action against Gaza, though it’s unclear if it includes the blockade.
Unfortunately you’re right, it doesn’t say a whole lot.
and later
Which contradicts the idea in the OP article stating about Hamas’ “demands.”
The closet thing I could find was this:
Which are certainly objectives, but not specific enough to be demands.
Searching for “hamas’ list of demands” online, there are several articles similar to the one above that reference it, but no list of demands that I can see. The closest things I can find are the 1988 and 2017 Hamas charters, which aren’t particularly specific other than the original one calls for the eradication of Israel and the Jews, and the revised one just calls for the eradication of Israel… which isn’t exactly a demand as much as an aspiration, and is kind of a moot point because it doesn’t seem like something that would be accepted by Israel.
So I’m still looking for an actual list of demands…
Not really? “Release Palestinian prisoners” and “stop Israeli violations” at least are definitely demands, and from what I found they also want Israel to stop flying drones over Gaza. That said, yeah, I guess not much has been made public.
Well for an actual “list of demands” I would expect things like “release these people:” followed by a list of names, and “stop doing these violations:” followed by a list of the violations they are accusing Israel of. “Release everybody” and “stop doing bad things” are technically demands, but they’re not the kind of things you’d expect in an actual list of specific demands. Those certainly work as summaries of the demands, but I was hoping that some news agency would have an actual list of the specific things Hamas is demanding in order to release the hostages rather than just “do everything we want.” I’ve seen them mention the drones in another article, which I suspect must be one of the things on the actual list.
“Release everyone” is one of their actual demands. Usually Hamas milks hostages for as many Palestinian prisoners as they’re worth, and this time they have a lot of hostages so it should be in line with historical “exchange rates”, so to speak, given that many of the hostages are soldiers, which have more value as hostages. Good point on the violations thing, though, it’s frankly perplexing that they nobody is publishing an actual list.
If something as vague as “release everyone” or “release all Palestinians in Israeli jails” or whatever is one of their actual demands, it’s unfortunate, because it makes it sound more like they’re not serious and are just making impossible demands that they know will not/can not be met as an excuse to continue fighting but to give off the appearance of working for peace. Just as if “the eradication of the Israeli state” were one of their demands. But I can’t really accuse them of that yet since I haven’t seen an actual list of demands and we’re both just speculating at this stage.
They need to release hostages for a ceasefire. You know, those they just said they will kill. Try to keep up.
Release the hostages and then what? Lose all their leverage? I can bet you right now if they release the hostages outside of an actual ceasefire agreements none of their demands will be met.
After they release all the hostages they’re going to nurder? You mean what happens then? IDK, what do you thibk?
I think Israel will take over Gaza like it used to before 2005 (they’ve actually stated this), and Palestinians prisoners will continue rotting in the Israeli military prison system. I also think Palestinian resistance will be mercilessly crushed. Why do you ask?