It’s a curious thing. I’m not dismissing any of their claims, but I find it a bit interesting that they can so easily uncover everything that the government doesn’t want you to know when it’s hidden for a reason.

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    Echelon was not so much a conspiracy theory as a sad game of telephone where increasingly disturbed people projected their increasingly distorted paranoias onto an actual thing.

    Same with HAARP. Yes, it as exists. No, It does not do that. Or that. Or even that.

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      I was in a rxxit thread with some wahoo who INSISTED that ALL global warming was caused by HAARP deliberately to somehow benefit the U.S.

      I linked a wolfram alpha calc about how much energy it would take to raise the entire atmosphere 1.2 degrees.

      It was equivalent to several billion Tsar Bombs.

      Posted the evidence, stated that 'HAARP physically couldn’t push that amount of energy into the atmosphere even if it was pumping out the physical max EM that the array could handle, every day, since the day it was first brought online. It wouldn’t even be 1/2,000,000th of a tsar bomb total.

      Their response “Well, that’s your opinion.

      And then 2 months later rxxit banned me for saying ‘punching nazis is a moral good’ and now the thread is lost forever.

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        The power comes from the sun. HAARP modulates the magnetic flux from the sun like the base of a giant transistor.

        At least that’s what my local conspiracy theorist told me when I raised the same point. It’s complete bunk of course, but it sounds plausible enough for anyone who is not an atmospheric scientist. Not any less plausible to the average wing nut than the whole story about carbon dioxide emission spectra in the infrared and global warming anyway. There is science words in there.

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      But it did give us a damn fine concert movie from Muse, and that’s indisputable.