Welp, I made a similar thread yesterday regarding Manjaro but I decided to swap to Fedora as my daily driver for stability purposes. Unfortunately since fedora is yet another non Debian distro I need help finding a Syncterm replacement.
I’m my previous thread it was pointed out to me that syncterm has a docker option which I can run on Fedora, but I’d prefer running an app locally if possible.
I tried the Syncterm snap package which boots inside bash, but it doesn’t have ANSI support (which is the entire point of using Syncterm) since I assume it’s simply piggy backing off of bash- hence the 1.5* review on the snap store.
Looking for options… if anyone can help a Linux noob I’m all ears. I tried Alien to convert deb to rpm and fell on my face.
You do no that docker is local, right? It runs in a container but that container is still on your computer.
Oh cool no I didn’t know that. I thought it was running code hosted elsewhere.
I’ve heard that Manjaro is a “bad OS”, but I’ve been using it for a few years and haven’t had any issues with it. As a noob, though, is probably avoid most Arch distros, though. They’re not impossible or anything, but they can be intimidating and may leave a bad taste of Linux in your mouth if they’re not set up right. I do like Fedora quite a bit. It and OpenSuse are my dailys. Mint was my go-to for years, and I would still highly recommend it for beginners. (E) Mint is a deb based distro.
exactly how many times did you ddos the aur?
If you maintain the OS, “ddosing the aur” isn’t something you will do. So, zero times.
I’m out of the loop, why is Manjaro considered a “bad distro” ?
I have used it for quite some time now, and I enjoy it, i find it fairly simple, fast and pretty.
Is there something I’m missing ?
Going to weigh in, manjaro devs are kinda incompetent. They’ve ddosed the aur twice in the exact same way, showing that they hadn’t done anything to solve the inherent issue. Their ssl certs keep exploring, even though auto-renewal takes about ten minutes to set up while telling their users to “change your clocks time” as a patch solution while they fix their certs (which took hours).
Their head arm developer sent a patch to asahi linux which broke x-org, showing he shipped code without so much as running the thing to test making a change well known and documented to cause this error with zero benefit to the project or his commit. This, after manjaro claimed that “manjaro works on the macbook m1” by using the asahi kernal with a full on campaign, shipping a random kernel from the release page which was known to be broken. It would not turn on, and could easily have broken users systems. Asahi at the time simply did not work, nor would it for a while.
They keep making dumb mistakes learning nothing and not asking for help when it’s obviously needed. Their two week delay, though it fixes some issues, commonly still ships known broken updates when unnecessary.
They put the aur directly next to flatpack and snap in pamac without a proper warning. The aur is dangerous, you need to know how to use it, and to read the pkgbuild. Qnybody can put any app up there and you’ll be running arbitrary code on the system. Flatpack and snaps are quite safe, the air is not. A while ago, a guy pit a list of people who can “fuck themselves” along with homophobic statements alongside two calls to a IP grabber in the dolphin emulator package. When there’s malware on linux, the aur is likely to be the first targeted
They’ve made many suggestions in their forums that lead to bad habits, putting more stress on arch devs and their servers.
It’s due to the continual incompetence of the devs, them damaging other projects they depend on, and the devs being quite unfriendly in the forums that people hate manjaro. I’d love to see it become better as the concept is a decent one but with the current leadership and work being done I have to caution against it’s use
It feels like a fork for the sake of “I use arch BTW”
It doesn’t add anything of value on top of “vanilla” arch, but they still manage to break stuff that works in Arch, occasionally ddos AUR and if I recall correctly there was some controversy because the developers were assholes
Except of course that more ex-Manjaro people move to EOS than vanilla Arch. I have no data on this but there are certainlymore EOS commenters on Manjaro threads than pure Arch ( though often those groups overlap a lot as many people use both ).
I do not know anybody that uses both Manjaro along with any other Arch distro. You are either in or out on Manjaro.
That’s wrong though, isn’t it? AFAIK, Manjaro hosts their own repos with a focus on up to date but slightly more stable packages
My problem with Manjaro was that they continually kept their repos behind arch while still depending on the aur and other arch infrastructure. This caused problems like aur packages not being buildable, and software that used the arch debuginfod server being unusable.
It breaks. It may never break on you but it breaks on A LOT of people and, as a result, there are lots of “don’t use Manjaro people out ther”…
I am not going into detail as I am exhausted from arguing with Manjaro fans that want to pretend all is ex-Manjaro users are wrong about our own experience. The above answers your question. Believe it or not.
Every time I’ve tried to use Manjaro, within a year or two the entire OS shits the bed. Whether it’s dependency hell, broken SSL certs or the display drovers fucking up. Legit never had that problem with other arch-based distros or arch itself, or even with fedora tumbleweed which is the “unstable” rolling release flavor of Fedora that I’m currently using.
This was my experience as well. Caused me to give up on Linux for a while as everyone was so eager to recommend manjaro back then.
Read the screenshot by OP. Can confirm that, too
Oh, ok, I did not have any issue so far so that surprised me, but I guess I was just lucky
I’ve been running Manjaro for about 5 years, and it’s still running solid.
Same here. I’ve used it on and off for years without any issues. My current install is around a year old and so far has been running smoothly.
I mostly keep it stock with GNOME and use it for dev work which it handles well
Why didn’t you install Arch OP?
Syncterm seems to be available in nixpkgs. It’s trivial to install Nix (the package manager, not NixOS the system) on top of any system you choose and then add one or two packages you need, in this case just Syncterm.
Install manjaro
Switch to arch repos
Profit
That’s what I did for a while and it was way more stable. Now I just use fedora cause I find it simple and easy out the box.
The problem with that approach is that some packages on your system will likely be maintained by Manjaro and are not found in Arch, so when your system updates while that package does not, it can lead to breakage.
Go the EndeavorOS route instead, if you want a graphical way a system you can easily convert to pure Arch.
EndeavourOS is probably what you are looking for. Almost vanilla arch with a desktop capable package base, calameres GUI installer, no delayed updates, and some neet build hooks
Why do people use the aur on manjaro? I thought they specifically say that the aur is not supported on manjaro.
They have an option in their own pamac GUI to enable the AUR. IMO if they want to send the message that it will cause issues and it shouldn’t be used, they shouldn’t make it so easy to enable. Or if they do want to make it that easy, display a clear disclaimer about the issues you can expect to run into if you try it.
AUR is also not supported on Arch, so support has nothing to do with it.
On Arch the AUR is made specifically for arch users so while not supported by the distro Arch is supported by the aur.
Why use an Arch-based distro if you can’t use the AUR? It’s like one of the most, if not the most defining feature of them
If you want to go back to something based on debian, consider PopOS!
If you are looking for something a little more stable than Manjaro but still Arch based EndeavorOS is a good option.
Not an answer to your question or suggesting you jump from Fedora just putting it out there
These days there is also the official guided installer for arch that may be worth a try.
Good to hear. Thanks for the link. I’ll have to test it out in a VM
My brother had that OS. It worked fine until it got a bug that the computer froze when he enabled the wifi, and the only way to stop it was pressing the power button. I couldn’t figure out the cause, and there was many unnecessary things coming with the OS, so I helped him to install Arch instead. Now, it works well and feels clean.
Odds are it would have come up on a regular Arch install too, and simply reinstalling is what fixed it.
EndeavourOS is essentially just a GUI installer for Arch with some defaults changed.
I get it but that sounds like a bit of a niche problem and I don’t know if OP, as a beginner, would have much luck setting up Arch on their own without running into some weird issue of a similar caliber.
Isn’t it just an installer, welcome app, theming, and maybe an Nvidia driver helper?
I don’t think Endeavour really adds that much, but maybe my perception has been wrong this whole time 🤷
That’s exactly what makes Endeavor a great option over Manjaro. You just end up with more-or-less normal Arch instead of the jank of Manjaro.
Oh, for sure. I was responding to the guy saying “I couldn’t figure out the cause, and there was many unnecessary things coming with the OS”
Doesn’t seem like there’s that much extra with Endeavour vs Arch.
Oh gotcha – sorry, missed the context
I also had issues with the wifi on EndevourOS just a few weeks ago. Ended up going back to Manjaro.
The knots you guys insist on twisting yourselves into is comical.
Ha! Touché. TBF this isn’t a common problem as this is a particularly niche piece of software. Everything else I needed was easily installed via the Fedora package manager- click install and done. Turns out BBS emulators aren’t plentiful in 2023 (⌐■_■)
Consider building it from source. A quick websearch for Syncterm Fedora and Syncterm Build had a few tutorials.
Or try taking a look at the AUR pkgbuild file, it’s basically an install script, might give you clues on how to build it yourself if you want to experiment and learn :)
That might be what I have to do. Back when I was on Kubuntu I built it from source using a tutorial for deb based machines. I searched for a similar guide with Fedora’s RPM as the focus but couldn’t find anything. Most Linux guides I see posted are for some flavor of Ubuntu.
Don’t worry about making a package, thats for distributing it.
Try to avoid flatpak; snap too. It’s got horrible validation and by ruining single source of truth on your installation state it actually craters that validation. It’s bad, and bad for you.
Don’t convert packages to packages: there’s too many literals in there that will cause problems. I sat on the FHS committee and I had such high hopes; but no.
Also, Manjaro’s fine. Maybe look at magaeia. Its polluted with systemd fridge art, but it’s maintained and fresh. It may have what you want.
Your recommending Mageaia? Seriously?
I would go with Linux mint, Fedora or something a little more mainstream
You can just install Arch in a distrobox if you want or a debian + children in a distrobox, install the app and it should launch from your launcher like any other app you use. Distrobox is fantastic.
When I need to install something from the AUR, I just enter my Arch distrobox and do it, same for Ubuntu and stuff.
Edit:
I forgot to mention that you’ll need to use the distrobox-export command to make it so you can launch an app like any other easily from your launcher.
I have no idea what syncterm is, a link would be useful. I can only find scetchy things.
But you write that it’s available for debian. Then just use distrobox and installl syncterm in a debian image and export it.
- Install distrobox https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Distrobox
- Use prefered image https://github.com/toolbx-images/images
- Use debians package manager and install package
- Export if needed https://github.com/89luca89/distrobox/blob/main/docs/usage/distrobox-export.md
- Enjoy
Literally the first result on DuckDuckGo and Google:
Thats what I said, only scetchy sites.
I’m sorry, but like half the sites for open source tools and programs look like that. Hell, the OpenSSH website doesn’t look that much more legitimate to my eyes.
I experienced that for windows 10 years ago but (almost) all projects on linux have adopted a new style over time.
I gotta agree that there are some very old projects but it just looks scetchy to me because it’s old and just off.