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@5dh @fediverse Financial incentive is not the only possible cause. If project leaders stop listening to their users for some other reason, you’ll get the same result.
And there is another, more subtle problem: protocol bloat. Fediverse services are getting more and more complicated, and the cost of creating a new platform is constantly increasing. If this problem is not addressed, at some point Fediverse will start looking like a web browser market, where new players can’t compete due to an immense implementation complexity.

@sun @fediverse @deadsuperhero Not yet. But Mitra can display a “Subscribe” button and subscription terms for sub.club accounts if they start publishing a Proposal object as described in FEP-0837. Alternatively, I can add support for their custom subscription property

@deadsuperhero @fediverse @quillmatiq Protocols described in these FEPs are currency-agnostic and developers can build actual platforms and solutions on them (as I did). This is the only ongoing effort to bring a payment layer to the Fediverse - there are no alternative proposals. FEP-8c3f was withdrawn in favor of FEP-0ea0.

Okay, you didn’t know about it. But now you do and it would be nice to include at least some of that information in the article.

@deadsuperhero @fediverse FEP-ef61 is what Mike was implementing and rolled out in production this summer. It’s not like we didn’t advertise that. All work on this FEP (and ones that precede it) was done in public channels, it’s really hard to miss if you’re interested in nomadic identity.

Give @weekinfediverse a follow. It provides a concise summary of what is happening in Fediverse

@quillmatiq

https://wedistribute.org/2024/03/activitypub-nomadic-identity/

In another article @deadsuperhero talked about nomadic identity and Mike Macgirvin’s efforts to implement it in ActivityPub, but similarly failed to mention another project that implements it (Mitra) and the person who wrote the spec (me).

At least my work was mentioned in a footnote. In the current article it is completely ignored.

@deadsuperhero @fediverse

@deadsuperhero @fediverse You cite an abandoned project and withdrawn WebMonetization FEP and then say “most efforts have not advanced beyond the planning stages”. This statement is misleading because those planning stages are far behind us. Mitra had subscriptions since 2022 and there are other projects that provide monetization options, like PeerTube Lightning plugin and PeerTube Premium Users plugin. FEP-0ea0 and FEP-0837 were published and implemented. Your co-author @quillmatiq should be well aware of these developments because we talked about it

@deadsuperhero @fediverse

Why did’t you mention Mitra, the open source and fully decentralized Fediverse service that also offers paid subscriptions, and which has been around for several years?

@maegul @fediverse Some ActivityPub implementations already work as social media browsers. For example, my server can interact with microblogs, but also forums, blogs, events etc. The more activity / object types are supported, the closer software is to a browser.

@Ferminho @maegul This proposal describes a very simple marketplace, and some things were intentionally left out. However, it is based on Valueflows system which can be used to describe many different economic processes, including planning, production and transportation:

https://www.valueflo.ws/introduction/core/

So developers may use object types and properties defined there if they want to build something more complicated. And social interactions can be represented as standard ActivityPub activities. I think Valueflows and ActivityPub nicely complement each other.