This platform is almost 100% idealism and politics. Any hobby/technical community goes completely inactive.
Second this. A lotta dumb political crap.
Most of the crap itself isn’t even political. Just dumb crap people from “political” communities.
Political extremists. So about the same as Reddit, though they seem to be a little more frequent/outspoken here. Also funnily enough the complete opposite side of the spectrum. Used to get called a dirty commie because I believed in Nationalized healthcare, but now I’m apparently a facist for not worshipping the CCP.
This goes not only for the tankies, unfortunately…
I see 1000 more posts against tankies then actual talkie posts… so like… get off it.
The sheer amount of pro-communist/pro-china comments is insane here. Plus the number of giant emojis that spam up the whole comment feed. Honestly, most of my real issues come down strictly to Hexbear users. A lot of their behavior completely ruins the platform for me.
That and the lack of fanbases for the things I like. There’s very little Star Wars or Halo fan presence here. Feels like Star Trek is the only fandom with any presence here, so I have to go back to reddit for those things.
Lemmy.world is defederated from hexvear if you’re looking to be totally free of them. Obviously you would have to join lemmyworld and some people don’t want to do that for various reasons, which is totally fine, but you’ll get a ton of content without the spam.
It’s VERY noticeable when I’m on an alt account (either to view c/piracy or because the DDOS attacks have .world down) and a hexbear user is in the comments. Defederation was 100% the right decision and I’m eager to block the instance on all my alts when it becomes possible to.
I don’t know if it’s the users themselves or just the fact it’s a smaller community as a whole, but I see way, way more drama posts about random things going on in niche parts of Lemmy than I ever did on Reddit. And unlike those on Reddit, most of these posts on Lemmy amount to nothing but the OP overreacting or reaching for the sake of being a victim. I can only think of one bit of drama that was legit, and that was the Ten Forward/Risa thing.
And it’s not more or less annoying than Reddit, it’s basically the same thing as the nazis but with a different flavor: the tankies. It’s just… Weird. I’d never encountered that shit before.
The pro china/Russia stuff is super weird. Also the hex bear goons brigading everything.
It’s very easy for bots and fascists to have a voice here unfortunately
Everyone should have a voice to be honest. Shutting them out completely won’t help, it just creates a bubble. As a human species it’s important for us to communicate.
But yeah there’s definitely more of them here unfortunately.
Deplatforming harmful ideologies is shown to create a reduction in hate speech and harm overall.
Because of this, I am pro-defederation of hexbear. They can have a voice, sure, but it’s my choice if I want to listen
I believe it to a degree, but I think it’s also a problem because we can’t ever change their minds if we’re not talking with each other. If they’re stuck in a hate-filled bubble, they’re only going to enrage each other further and accept each other’s biases.
It’s a different story if they’re attacking other people based on their own beliefs, then they should absolutely be banned from the platform. And if enough of that happens, then at that point de-federation should be the option (which I guess is probably the stage we’re at)
Regarding your first point, I think there’s more harm mitigated than rehabilitation opportunity lost by quarantining and thus limiting the outreach potential of extremists. The saner, less edgy parts of the Internet are easy enough to access and these people will come across them in due course if they are in a receptive mindset. Whereas I am completely comfortable making their weird little dens of groupthink harder to stumble upon by default.
I mean good luck changing any their minds. They are heavily entrenched and quite overly aggressive.
Honestly, the insistence that Lemmy has better discussions than Reddit. Mostly even popular posts have too few comments to constitute any in depth discussion. I won’t be going back to Reddit but I miss the vibrancy.
This but about how almost everything about Lemmy is spun as either good, or better than reddit’s equivalent.
Like the other day I saw a post about how Lemmy’s active users were on the decline, trying to claim that was somehow good for Lemmy. Or back when Lemmy had its /r/place copy, there were plenty of people saying it was better than reddit’s. Basically anything about Lemmy that’s somewhat lacking has people desperately trying to defend it as actually superior.
It borders on delusional at times. Yes Lemmy is good, but reddit is still better in dozens of ways, almost all of them related to user count. And this is coming from one of the people who deleted their reddit account and replaced it with Lemmy cold turkey - I haven’t been back there (except for porn) in almost 8 weeks.
I half-agree with this. I think that this depends a lot on the topic and, while the smaller amount of comments does hurt discussion depth, the individual comments themselves partially offset this by being more thoughtful.
And, while anecdotal, I think that there’s a considerably lower ratio of comments with negative discussion value here in Lemmy than in Reddit. I’m not even talking about the out-of-place jokes (although they add noise), but shit like this:
- “waaah, TL;DR!!” discouraging in-depth explainations
- feigned lack of understanding as ad nauseam tactic
- context illiteracy
- unchecked assumptions towards other users, for the sake of ad hominem
- “trust me”
Don’t get me wrong; you do find this crap here, but IMO it’s way less than in Reddit. And they hurt discussion because they either waste the time of the more thoughtful and knowledgeable users, or outright disengage them.
I still use both Lemmy and Reddit and I honestly think Lemmy is in a sweet spot where there are enough comments for a discussion but not enough to go off topic.
Reddit discussions are never about the OP, they’re always riffing on an off-topic joke that someone made in a reply to the already off-topic top comment.
Lemmy users also tend to be stuck in one mind set and that is they know what they are talking about all the time no matter what even if their opinion is actually kind of shit.
“lemmy users”, most people here have been here for barely 2 months. The site doesn’t have a defined culture yet, if it ever will given its fragmentation.
I get that you can’t stand having to see opinions you disagree with, but you’re really trying to prop up some punching bag here that doesn’t exist.
In fairness, this is practically everywhere on the internet.
It’s really goddamn preachy. There’s a real sense of superiority a lot of users have that I don’t recall as much on Reddit.
There’s also the fact that small communities are dead and it’s next to impossible to grow them, so you’re stuck with the same people on the front page every day.
The bot spam is quite a bit worse, even when turning bots off
Linux supremacist and the wannabe commies are pretty annoying.
Other quality of life features would be nice. Like searching for a specific post
Extremism - Reddit as its share but also has millions of “normies” to balance things out. Here there doesn’t seem to be any moderates.
The platform itself is dysfunctional and will prevent any real growth in average users.
Just TOO many Linux fanboys/martyrs, it is a good OS but damn stop trying to go full on religion with it.
Tankies.
You can’t have a discussion about anything without some tankie blaming it on Ukrainians / the west / capitalism, etc.
“Oh you stubbed your toe on the table? See, tables are oppressive furniture of the bourgeoisie. The Chinese government wanted to make all tables toe-stubbing resistent, but that would affect IKEA’s bottom line and the pharmaceutical industry’s profits. I have a source from tankiepeoplesmagazine to back this up.”
I made the mistake of mentionning social democracy once. This was followed by the most pedantic, insufferable and useless argument I have ever had on the internet. I had better discussions with wall. This was first and last time I was replying to those comments. It is easy to ignore anyway. Sometime you learn the hard way.
I almost never see this, but I see complaints about “tankies” all the time. I’m not even sure what a tankie is, but it seems about as stupid as the term “woke”.
Have a look at comments in any news article regarding Ukraine. They will simp for Russia just because they are not US allies.
A tankie is commonly used to refer to someone who blindly defends the actions of the USSR, China, North Korea, etc. Going as far as denying human rights abuses and genocide.
It’s not the same thing as woke.
I know it’s not the same as woke, the word just hits the same level of annoyingness for me.
I’m all for shutting down those who support Russia right now, I just feel like using buzzwords makes it more difficult to take people seriously.
The term goes back to the 50s and 60s, hardly a buzzword.
Sorry to tell you, but you’ve been living under a rock.
I never saw that word used until I came to lemmy. I had to look it up and found that exact same wiki page for it.
Just because its a real word with a wiki page doesn’t make it any less annoying to constantly see on here. And only here. I see that word on NO other sites I ever visit.
I’ve seen “tankie” in leftist discussions on multiple sites for ages before I joined Lemmy.
Just because its a real word with a wiki page doesn’t make it any less annoying […]
And just because you first encountered a word in some place doesn’t mean that word originated in that place.
It’s a very common word in leftist circles. So if Lemmy is your first contact with leftists (beyond center left), then that explains it.
Being annoying is your opinion, but it’s not a buzzword that someone from gen z invented recently.
I didn’t say it was a buzzword.
I’m in the US and “lefty” might mean something different for me than it does for you. Where I live and the sites I go on - have leftys on there but no, they never use the term tankie.
Annoying is an opinion yes, but I’m saying its annoying because of how often it is brought up. Not that I’m siding with tankies or people who are against tankies.
Anything that gets repeated over and over is going to come across as annoying. Unless you like redundancy.
Bots copy pasting content from Reddit.
There are community filled only with that, no upvotes, no comment, no nothing.
When you finally block the bot those communities disappear as the bot is the only active user.
I’m annoyed by all those Facebook-type boomer comics you see on basically all meme subs. Reddit culture managed to get rid of them, but for some reason people here seem to love them
All the empty communities without any motivation from the creating user to actually be involved in their own community. I honestly think they should be deleted if they’re not active. Inb4 “be the change/create your own”. No, I don’t want to run a community so I don’t create a community. Neither should you. Nobody benefits from all these empty reservations of space. It might actually hinder the people who have a need for a community. It’s like showing up at an empty store. “Oh I guess I’ll go somewhere else for this then”
I’m left on the political spectrum but by and large y’all fuckers are over the deep end.
especially lemmygrad
I have seen people praising North Korea there lol